1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:09,290 [Music] 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:11,910 if you're not familiar with this area 3 00:00:17,550 --> 00:00:14,530 good place to start is this field guide 4 00:00:20,790 --> 00:00:17,560 by Loren Coleman I use this several 5 00:00:22,499 --> 00:00:20,800 years ago to interview Bob Gimlin those 6 00:00:26,790 --> 00:00:22,509 república for me with the Patterson 7 00:00:30,210 --> 00:00:26,800 Gimlin film in 67 I can tell you that 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:30,220 this is where the modern perspective on 9 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:32,410 Sasquatch research starts in most 10 00:00:40,590 --> 00:00:35,140 people's opinion I personally found Bob 11 00:00:43,069 --> 00:00:40,600 Gimlin to be fully credible and and I 12 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:43,079 also got from him the idea about using 13 00:00:49,830 --> 00:00:46,510 small mules as attractant for sasquatch 14 00:00:52,170 --> 00:00:49,840 a lot of people don't realize that 15 00:00:54,990 --> 00:00:52,180 actually Louisiana is where it all 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:55,000 started my home state air traffic 17 00:01:01,229 --> 00:00:58,570 controller Harlan Ford was able to film 18 00:01:05,070 --> 00:01:01,239 the honey island swamp monster and was 19 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:05,080 able to get some plaster casts he is not 20 00:01:10,380 --> 00:01:08,680 given much historical credit but the 21 00:01:13,499 --> 00:01:10,390 question is is it science or is it 22 00:01:16,980 --> 00:01:13,509 pseudoscience dr. dangling is probably 23 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:16,990 our most astute critic dr. dagni says a 24 00:01:21,389 --> 00:01:18,910 theory which purports to be scientific 25 00:01:22,620 --> 00:01:21,399 is pseudo scientific if and only if it 26 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:22,630 has been less progressive than 27 00:01:27,029 --> 00:01:24,340 alternative theories over a long period 28 00:01:29,370 --> 00:01:27,039 of time and faces many unsolved problems 29 00:01:30,809 --> 00:01:29,380 and the community of practitioners makes 30 00:01:33,089 --> 00:01:30,819 little attempt to develop a theory 31 00:01:35,339 --> 00:01:33,099 towards solution of these problems shows 32 00:01:37,169 --> 00:01:35,349 no concern for attempts to evaluate the 33 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:37,179 theory in relation to others and is 34 00:01:42,059 --> 00:01:39,310 selective and continuing in considering 35 00:01:44,430 --> 00:01:42,069 continuations and dis confirmations and 36 00:01:47,479 --> 00:01:44,440 disc confirmations let's see how we have 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:47,489 fared since the Patterson Gimlin days 38 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:50,410 probably the first academic to become 39 00:01:56,609 --> 00:01:52,030 seriously involved in this was Grover 40 00:02:00,180 --> 00:01:56,619 Krantz dr. Krantz found that some of the 41 00:02:02,309 --> 00:02:00,190 tracks had dermal ridges and evidence of 42 00:02:04,529 --> 00:02:02,319 skin pores he found this to be very 43 00:02:05,999 --> 00:02:04,539 difficult to fake he opined that this 44 00:02:09,059 --> 00:02:06,009 was a relic population of 45 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:09,069 Gigantopithecus blackie and when asked 46 00:02:14,339 --> 00:02:11,770 and he was also a believer in harvesting 47 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:14,349 one and when they said dr. Krantz what 48 00:02:20,820 --> 00:02:16,420 should we do if we shoot one he said 49 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:20,830 reload that is a that is an example of a 50 00:02:22,930 --> 00:02:22,810 paradigm shift we're now most of us in 51 00:02:27,940 --> 00:02:22,940 the 52 00:02:30,220 --> 00:02:27,950 paradigm interestingly out you probably 53 00:02:32,110 --> 00:02:30,230 most of you not heard about this but 54 00:02:33,970 --> 00:02:32,120 some Russian huh monologist have 55 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:33,980 discovered a village that has a history 56 00:02:40,870 --> 00:02:37,610 of capturing a wild very large woman who 57 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:40,880 was covered with hair she was able to 58 00:02:45,310 --> 00:02:42,530 run at approximately the speed of a 59 00:02:47,650 --> 00:02:45,320 horse she swam the river in the winter 60 00:02:51,370 --> 00:02:47,660 time and preferred to live outdoors she 61 00:02:53,380 --> 00:02:51,380 did have four viable human offspring by 62 00:02:55,150 --> 00:02:53,390 the way this picture is not has not been 63 00:02:58,800 --> 00:02:55,160 validated but this one is this is her 64 00:03:01,570 --> 00:02:58,810 son quit dr. Igor Bert sev has been 65 00:03:04,060 --> 00:03:01,580 investigating this he has exhumed the 66 00:03:05,830 --> 00:03:04,070 the skull and continues to do 67 00:03:07,390 --> 00:03:05,840 investigations on this I don't need to 68 00:03:10,180 --> 00:03:07,400 tell you all what the implications of 69 00:03:13,330 --> 00:03:10,190 this are that that may be possible to 70 00:03:15,370 --> 00:03:13,340 interbreed but we got to move on dr. 71 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:15,380 Jeff Meldrum who is published in the sse 72 00:03:21,310 --> 00:03:18,890 has advanced the the field by publishing 73 00:03:23,170 --> 00:03:21,320 the first refereed paper outside of 74 00:03:26,110 --> 00:03:23,180 cryptozoological his journals with his 75 00:03:28,210 --> 00:03:26,120 tracks in the wilderness paper he where 76 00:03:31,570 --> 00:03:28,220 he named the tracks anthropoid yves 77 00:03:33,610 --> 00:03:31,580 Ameri borealis also dr. Meldrum was 78 00:03:35,890 --> 00:03:33,620 prior to that involved in the Skookum 79 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:35,900 cache which was the first successful 80 00:03:41,410 --> 00:03:37,850 attempt for researchers to bethe 81 00:03:43,150 --> 00:03:41,420 location and obtain a full body cast so 82 00:03:45,340 --> 00:03:43,160 I'm gonna skip on down to the third one 83 00:03:48,340 --> 00:03:45,350 there Mike Greene is a master's level 84 00:03:50,740 --> 00:03:48,350 researcher who has managed to obtain a 85 00:03:53,350 --> 00:03:50,750 minute or so of thermal footage of a 86 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:53,360 sasquatch this is significant because 87 00:03:58,570 --> 00:03:56,120 it's the first baited video that we have 88 00:04:01,060 --> 00:03:58,580 there are other thermal videos 89 00:04:04,540 --> 00:04:01,070 I myself have heard audio recordings in 90 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:04,550 my own area there's always the screams 91 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:06,410 and hollers but I've also heard some 92 00:04:11,590 --> 00:04:08,630 audio recordings of what I think are 93 00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:11,600 valid morphemes and phonemes and the 94 00:04:15,370 --> 00:04:13,489 audio data allows us to do 95 00:04:17,050 --> 00:04:15,380 spectrographic analysis that brings a 96 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:17,060 hard data aspect to this that we really 97 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:18,950 need and lastly I'm going to talk to you 98 00:04:24,670 --> 00:04:22,490 about my serendipitous a lot of luck and 99 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:24,680 a little bit of persistence opportunity 100 00:04:28,090 --> 00:04:26,260 to be involved in DNA 101 00:04:31,540 --> 00:04:28,100 publication that's gonna be coming out 102 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:31,550 real soon but dr. Melba Ketchum so what 103 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:33,950 was it it was a zagnut would you all be 104 00:04:36,970 --> 00:04:35,450 surprised to hear that they don't 105 00:04:38,890 --> 00:04:36,980 respond well to citrus 106 00:04:41,050 --> 00:04:38,900 you thought oh just among you probably 107 00:04:42,340 --> 00:04:41,060 can understand that I'm gonna have to 108 00:04:43,630 --> 00:04:42,350 cherry-pick this in order to have time 109 00:04:47,500 --> 00:04:43,640 for questions so I'm going to jump on 110 00:04:49,750 --> 00:04:47,510 down to the deer liver back to it at the 111 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:49,760 bottom there's a lot of consistency in 112 00:04:54,940 --> 00:04:52,810 morphology and behavior with these guys 113 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:54,950 the reason I want to focus on the deer 114 00:04:59,200 --> 00:04:57,530 liver is dr. Nina Jablonski has said 115 00:05:00,700 --> 00:04:59,210 that they can't exist because they don't 116 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:00,710 have enough to eat particularly in the 117 00:05:07,770 --> 00:05:04,280 winter time there have been a lot of 118 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:07,780 reports of them consuming deer liver 119 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:10,010 I'll just tell you that a lot of people 120 00:05:13,810 --> 00:05:10,970 don't know that they're more 121 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:13,820 white-tailed deer in our woods now than 122 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:16,130 there were in Daniel Boone's day deer 123 00:05:21,190 --> 00:05:19,370 liver is the best caloric source in the 124 00:05:23,620 --> 00:05:21,200 forest with twenty to thirty thousand 125 00:05:26,950 --> 00:05:23,630 calories per unit that contain all the 126 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:26,960 micronutrients that allow for night 127 00:05:31,690 --> 00:05:28,850 vision toughening of the planter 128 00:05:34,810 --> 00:05:31,700 surfaces of the palms and feet and all 129 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:34,820 your vitamins and and other 130 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:37,490 micronutrients this was discovered by 131 00:05:43,330 --> 00:05:40,310 Amish farmers some years ago who found 132 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:43,340 that they were seeing deer carcasses 133 00:05:47,260 --> 00:05:45,290 with the legs broken and the livers 134 00:05:49,420 --> 00:05:47,270 missing and I know a researcher who's 135 00:05:51,930 --> 00:05:49,430 found as many as three carcasses stacked 136 00:05:54,190 --> 00:05:51,940 up with legs broken and liver missing 137 00:05:56,980 --> 00:05:54,200 I'm gonna skip them down again to wood 138 00:05:59,200 --> 00:05:56,990 knocking that's probably the most common 139 00:06:01,810 --> 00:05:59,210 behavior you would encounter if you're a 140 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:01,820 novice in this area it's the most common 141 00:06:07,780 --> 00:06:03,650 one that I encounter in in my field 142 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:07,790 research and again about the habituation 143 00:06:12,670 --> 00:06:09,650 a lot of the interesting data is coming 144 00:06:14,590 --> 00:06:12,680 from what we call habituation sites this 145 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:14,600 is in the spirit of Dian Fossey and gall 146 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:18,650 Dacus and and Goodall so what does this 147 00:06:25,270 --> 00:06:20,540 do for us in academia 148 00:06:28,180 --> 00:06:25,280 well nothing again dr. dag Ling are our 149 00:06:31,450 --> 00:06:28,190 most astute critic in Bigfoot exposed 150 00:06:34,090 --> 00:06:31,460 talks about the problems in academia 151 00:06:35,710 --> 00:06:34,100 with all our data and I suspect that if 152 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:35,720 we were talking about okapi that this 153 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:37,730 would not be a problem because no one 154 00:06:42,340 --> 00:06:39,730 fake so Cappy sightings that I know of 155 00:06:45,130 --> 00:06:42,350 so what are the hypotheses that come at 156 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:45,140 us from academia first of all all 157 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:47,330 Bigfoot phenomenon or faked or hoaxed 158 00:06:51,610 --> 00:06:50,330 secondly all Bigfoot phenomenon or the 159 00:06:54,010 --> 00:06:51,620 result of hallucinations or 160 00:06:55,570 --> 00:06:54,020 misperceptions and third there are a few 161 00:06:58,540 --> 00:06:55,580 of us that believe sasquatch may be a 162 00:07:00,730 --> 00:06:58,550 species but the problem is it's not 163 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:00,740 necessarily orthogonal as implied by 164 00:07:06,189 --> 00:07:04,250 those in academia sometimes as my friend 165 00:07:11,290 --> 00:07:06,199 dr. Frank says a dog can have ticks and 166 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:11,300 fleas this is our Piltdown man several 167 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:12,889 years ago two guys in georgia 168 00:07:18,339 --> 00:07:14,810 perpetrated this hoax on us and it 169 00:07:19,990 --> 00:07:18,349 lasted over half a week and and and 170 00:07:24,309 --> 00:07:20,000 maybe in some circles a better part of a 171 00:07:26,740 --> 00:07:24,319 week but it was definitely a hoax so we 172 00:07:30,249 --> 00:07:26,750 can prove definitely that some Bigfoot 173 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:30,259 phenomena are hoaxed and some hoaxes are 174 00:07:35,830 --> 00:07:34,210 easier to detect than others and 175 00:07:39,180 --> 00:07:35,840 motivations differ 176 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:39,190 this guy's motivation is to get chicks 177 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:41,360 so what we lack and what we desperately 178 00:07:46,749 --> 00:07:44,240 need is a social psychology of Bigfoot 179 00:07:48,580 --> 00:07:46,759 hoaxing if we had some sampling 180 00:07:50,019 --> 00:07:48,590 distributions on this data we could make 181 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:50,029 some probability statements using 182 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:52,250 confidence intervals to determine if we 183 00:07:57,309 --> 00:07:53,930 thought a case we're more valid or less 184 00:08:00,279 --> 00:07:57,319 valid so this is something that probably 185 00:08:02,559 --> 00:08:00,289 would be a good dissertation idea for a 186 00:08:04,330 --> 00:08:02,569 young social psychologist the second 187 00:08:06,999 --> 00:08:04,340 hypothesis that it's all hallucination 188 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:07,009 or bears well one thing we do know is 189 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:10,310 that paranoia is epidemic in Bigfoot 190 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:13,849 research paranoia you may remember the 191 00:08:19,209 --> 00:08:17,210 Green Man problem that in England the 192 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:19,219 Green Man is the face in the forest the 193 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:23,680 face in the bushes so the question is or 194 00:08:28,209 --> 00:08:26,330 hallucinations or hallucinatory 195 00:08:30,219 --> 00:08:28,219 experiences is that normative for us 196 00:08:32,409 --> 00:08:30,229 human beings we know about hitting the 197 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:32,419 Goggin phenomenon I recently read about 198 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:34,250 a case where a man woke up in his deer 199 00:08:39,490 --> 00:08:36,890 camp to find a sasquatch peering in the 200 00:08:40,779 --> 00:08:39,500 the screen of the deer camp at him now 201 00:08:42,969 --> 00:08:40,789 of course that would be hypnopompic 202 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:42,979 phenomenon but perhaps we got to go 203 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:44,600 deeper than that perhaps we need to look 204 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:47,750 at a Jungian archetypal perspective on 205 00:08:53,410 --> 00:08:51,050 this young saw UFOs as archetypal images 206 00:08:55,900 --> 00:08:53,420 he saw Bigfoot as the archetype of the 207 00:08:59,139 --> 00:08:55,910 wild man and there are a lot of Native 208 00:09:01,780 --> 00:08:59,149 American stories that include things 209 00:09:03,329 --> 00:09:01,790 like mind speak hypnotic powers and 210 00:09:05,670 --> 00:09:03,339 being able to vanish 211 00:09:07,739 --> 00:09:05,680 in an amazing way and I myself have 212 00:09:08,999 --> 00:09:07,749 experienced that sense of presence that 213 00:09:11,670 --> 00:09:09,009 something's there something's watching 214 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:11,680 you and I wonder if that's related to 215 00:09:16,829 --> 00:09:12,910 the other phenomenon that's been 216 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:16,839 reported by Shackleton and other people 217 00:09:22,350 --> 00:09:18,850 about the sense of presence that happens 218 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:22,360 in Himalayan explorers and sometimes 219 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:24,370 specific sailors and people in extreme 220 00:09:31,590 --> 00:09:27,490 environments they feel this relationship 221 00:09:33,210 --> 00:09:31,600 with a numinous presence so but but the 222 00:09:35,629 --> 00:09:33,220 new and interesting thing is that this 223 00:09:40,769 --> 00:09:35,639 is has made it out of the case study 224 00:09:43,829 --> 00:09:40,779 area into nature and recently rzc canal 225 00:09:45,470 --> 00:09:43,839 found that this this know this 226 00:09:48,030 --> 00:09:45,480 experience of a numinous presence 227 00:09:51,420 --> 00:09:48,040 probably is mediated by the temporal 228 00:09:52,650 --> 00:09:51,430 parietal region in the brain so we're 229 00:09:54,329 --> 00:09:52,660 moving forward and looking at these 230 00:09:57,150 --> 00:09:54,339 things but what is what is the Wildman 231 00:09:58,860 --> 00:09:57,160 do for us in terms of paradigm shifting 232 00:10:00,720 --> 00:09:58,870 well it pushes us toward an eco 233 00:10:01,610 --> 00:10:00,730 shamanism that promotes stewardship of 234 00:10:04,350 --> 00:10:01,620 our planet 235 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:04,360 Sasquatch Bigfoot is the archetype of 236 00:10:09,329 --> 00:10:06,970 wild man that mediates between modern 237 00:10:11,369 --> 00:10:09,339 humans and nature Native American 238 00:10:16,079 --> 00:10:11,379 legends say that Bigfoot comes out when 239 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:16,089 big change is afoot yeah pun intended 240 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:19,930 and even even dr. dag Lee admits that we 241 00:10:24,210 --> 00:10:21,610 need the wild man he's part of our 242 00:10:26,069 --> 00:10:24,220 psyche and he would be consistent he 243 00:10:28,350 --> 00:10:26,079 would be in agreement with that aspect 244 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:28,360 of this phenomena so perhaps this is the 245 00:10:34,230 --> 00:10:29,889 road less traveled the phenomenological 246 00:10:37,199 --> 00:10:34,240 aspect of this so whether the road is a 247 00:10:39,210 --> 00:10:37,209 road in the post Heisenberg world where 248 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:39,220 we know that the observer and the 249 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:41,730 observed are part of the same system I 250 00:10:46,769 --> 00:10:44,290 like to say it's the best data that 251 00:10:48,749 --> 00:10:46,779 you'll never be able to measure so 252 00:10:50,429 --> 00:10:48,759 perhaps we threw out professor Wilhelm 253 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:50,439 wundt in the school of introspection a 254 00:10:55,079 --> 00:10:52,240 little early this then is our 255 00:10:58,230 --> 00:10:55,089 constructivist Bigfoot so why is a 256 00:11:00,989 --> 00:10:58,240 Squatch important if if all Bigfoot 257 00:11:04,199 --> 00:11:00,999 phenomena are a result of hoaxing then 258 00:11:06,119 --> 00:11:04,209 it's a huge social psych issue if all 259 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:06,129 Bigfoot phenomena or the result of 260 00:11:10,739 --> 00:11:07,360 projections of the collective 261 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:10,749 unconscious it's a huge phenomenological 262 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:14,769 finding and if it's a zoological reality 263 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:16,990 we have probably the most important 264 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:19,240 see discovery that we're ever gonna be 265 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:21,790 able to see you know if we thought 266 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:24,910 spotted owls brought us some new ways of 267 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:26,470 thinking about things just wait till we 268 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:27,610 have to recognize these guys 269 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:30,730 and how does a sasquatch contact our B 270 00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:33,100 to say I don't want to participate but 271 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:35,830 we'll come back to that maybe at a later 272 00:11:42,180 --> 00:11:38,649 time I want to talk about the Academy of 273 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:42,190 Science and the way they approach the 274 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:45,130 work that we try to do and and and the 275 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:47,890 anecdotal arrogance that that we see 276 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:51,250 there biologist John Ruskin sinski said 277 00:11:55,170 --> 00:11:53,890 we just need one story to be true out of 278 00:11:57,750 --> 00:11:55,180 the thousands and thousands and 279 00:11:59,610 --> 00:11:57,760 thousands of reports just one needs to 280 00:12:03,269 --> 00:11:59,620 be true and we have a new species and 281 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:03,279 this may have been dr. Matt Johnson who 282 00:12:08,810 --> 00:12:05,890 had an unequivocal close encounter and 283 00:12:13,139 --> 00:12:08,820 he tried to report this but he was 284 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:13,149 shouted down by the academics one of 285 00:12:16,350 --> 00:12:14,770 whom was dr. Stephen frost who said no 286 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:16,360 researcher has ever found any scatter 287 00:12:20,910 --> 00:12:18,370 hair or a tooth that could be examined 288 00:12:22,889 --> 00:12:20,920 in a lab and additionally we have dr. 289 00:12:25,590 --> 00:12:22,899 Nina Jablonski who says no scientist has 290 00:12:27,510 --> 00:12:25,600 ever found scat or hair or any evidence 291 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:27,520 of night nests and I liked I included 292 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:28,990 this one because I have a plethora of 293 00:12:32,910 --> 00:12:31,120 night listen I have two videos that I 294 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:32,920 would like to perhaps make available to 295 00:12:39,860 --> 00:12:34,180 you later that I didn't have time to 296 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:39,870 show today so let's go Kuhn hunting and 297 00:12:45,569 --> 00:12:42,970 the thing is that when I saw this I said 298 00:12:46,710 --> 00:12:45,579 you know I've got data that I've got 299 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:46,720 scat in here and that's what I'm going 300 00:12:51,389 --> 00:12:48,070 to show you at the end so this is out of 301 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:51,399 order this is the gentleman that owns 302 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:53,410 the property that I was able to access 303 00:12:58,410 --> 00:12:55,510 this is dr. Bruce McCormick PhD from 304 00:13:01,800 --> 00:12:58,420 Tulane former skeptic and he is now less 305 00:13:05,010 --> 00:13:01,810 skeptic less skeptical as a result of 306 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:05,020 all this but here we are this is a 307 00:13:11,340 --> 00:13:08,529 Foursquare area around his little six 308 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:11,350 acres where we keep the mules and here 309 00:13:16,319 --> 00:13:13,570 I'm investigating a hoop tree you can 310 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:16,329 see that there are some bark lesions 311 00:13:19,079 --> 00:13:17,680 here there's actually four of them 312 00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:19,089 there's two at the top and there's 313 00:13:23,819 --> 00:13:21,070 actually two at the bottom that are that 314 00:13:25,290 --> 00:13:23,829 are very very similar and I would 315 00:13:29,569 --> 00:13:25,300 speculate that it looks like that 316 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:29,579 something is imitating a larger 317 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:30,830 conspecific 318 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:32,510 and peeling the bark off this pine tree 319 00:13:37,750 --> 00:13:35,030 but we look for also hoop trees that are 320 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:37,760 pinned down and illogical this hoop tree 321 00:13:41,470 --> 00:13:39,050 is pinned down and that tends to meet 322 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:41,480 against wind or weather as an etiology I 323 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:43,850 threw this one in because it reminds me 324 00:13:46,690 --> 00:13:46,010 of the Choctaw legend of the nalusa 325 00:13:48,460 --> 00:13:46,700 falaya 326 00:13:50,610 --> 00:13:48,470 which is their word for Bigfoot whom 327 00:13:52,630 --> 00:13:50,620 they believed to turn into light beings 328 00:13:54,970 --> 00:13:52,640 but I'm not going to make a claim that's 329 00:13:57,250 --> 00:13:54,980 anything but a light anomaly but I will 330 00:13:59,170 --> 00:13:57,260 make the claim that this is a betting 331 00:14:02,200 --> 00:13:59,180 area and you can see the sport evidence 332 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:02,210 of the Spore there there are caves in 333 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:03,650 this area that are associated with the 334 00:14:06,940 --> 00:14:05,210 creek bank I'll come back to that in a 335 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:06,950 minute here's the view from the front 336 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:09,380 door of such a cave this cave is special 337 00:14:13,330 --> 00:14:11,330 in that it has a skylight and you can 338 00:14:15,130 --> 00:14:13,340 see repetitiously peer out this skylight 339 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:15,140 and see who's looking around in your 340 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:18,500 woods now you can see that this up let 341 00:14:24,070 --> 00:14:21,310 me go back to that you can see that 342 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:24,080 there's a trail going in here and I 343 00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:25,790 asked myself as I entered this cave what 344 00:14:30,220 --> 00:14:28,160 would I naturally do and where I would 345 00:14:31,570 --> 00:14:30,230 put my hand I had to do it this way 346 00:14:33,730 --> 00:14:31,580 because you couldn't see it without the 347 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:33,740 hand in place I found five indentations 348 00:14:41,290 --> 00:14:37,040 that are perfectly fitting of my fingers 349 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:41,300 there this is a possible left foot track 350 00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:42,770 I don't want to stick my neck out to for 351 00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:44,360 it this is a possible right foot track 352 00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:46,460 in this cave and the gloves of course 353 00:14:51,370 --> 00:14:48,800 are used for scale but if where's my 354 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:51,380 pointer right in here and it's a little 355 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:53,210 longer than my foot and it's a little 356 00:14:58,330 --> 00:14:55,850 thin but my hypothesis has been that 357 00:15:00,340 --> 00:14:58,340 there's probably an adolescent Sasquatch 358 00:15:02,170 --> 00:15:00,350 that is roaming around in this area 359 00:15:03,610 --> 00:15:02,180 here's some hoop trees that are pinned 360 00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:03,620 down from different directions again 361 00:15:09,610 --> 00:15:06,320 that tends to to meet against weather as 362 00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:09,620 an etiology and let's see where are we 363 00:15:14,950 --> 00:15:12,800 here okay so the mule Haven is right 364 00:15:17,050 --> 00:15:14,960 here the caves are right over in this 365 00:15:19,090 --> 00:15:17,060 area the hoop trees are in this area I'm 366 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:19,100 fixing to show you a track that is right 367 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:21,610 down in here I had a second hair sample 368 00:15:26,890 --> 00:15:24,170 that came from this area that I don't 369 00:15:28,780 --> 00:15:26,900 have a picture of so what we try to do 370 00:15:31,570 --> 00:15:28,790 is we try to engage in an interesting 371 00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:31,580 routine you can't hunt them and find 372 00:15:35,620 --> 00:15:33,200 them you got to let them come to you and 373 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:35,630 so I'm out there at all hours of the 374 00:15:39,370 --> 00:15:37,250 night train them on mules and I have 375 00:15:41,770 --> 00:15:39,380 heard some vocalizations and I have in 376 00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:41,780 the beginning I got a smell stitch a 377 00:15:44,540 --> 00:15:43,040 little bit I don't smell much stench 378 00:15:48,290 --> 00:15:44,550 anymore 379 00:15:50,430 --> 00:15:48,300 this is my very first picture I felt so 380 00:15:52,740 --> 00:15:50,440 intrigued by this that this is when I 381 00:15:54,810 --> 00:15:52,750 started photographing my my excursions 382 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:54,820 it's hard to see in the photograph but 383 00:15:59,639 --> 00:15:56,050 there's something large that's been 384 00:16:02,190 --> 00:15:59,649 betting here this is a lean-to that is 385 00:16:04,590 --> 00:16:02,200 right here and the good news about this 386 00:16:05,579 --> 00:16:04,600 lean-to is that you can see the road you 387 00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,589 can see the road you can see the 388 00:16:10,490 --> 00:16:07,360 four-way stop you can see a couple of 389 00:16:14,130 --> 00:16:10,500 farms here but they can't see you and 390 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:14,140 another perspective on the lean-to and I 391 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:16,360 want it I want you to notice the angle 392 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:18,580 here and the fact that there is another 393 00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:20,050 cross piece that comes in from this 394 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:22,240 direction because about 8 yards away 395 00:16:26,970 --> 00:16:25,270 from this is a prototype of this where 396 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:26,980 something smaller has been betty's and 397 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:29,290 it has the same imitation of the 398 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:32,170 crossbars at the same angle so again 399 00:16:35,010 --> 00:16:33,610 something looks like it's learning from 400 00:16:37,410 --> 00:16:35,020 something else here of course that's 401 00:16:39,570 --> 00:16:37,420 speculation but a few weeks after we 402 00:16:42,510 --> 00:16:39,580 moved into this property and discovered 403 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:42,520 these lean twos we found this triangle 404 00:16:45,810 --> 00:16:44,170 and it's woven together on the corners 405 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:45,820 David my colleague David Lentz and why 406 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:48,850 he found this and after this we saw some 407 00:16:53,180 --> 00:16:51,370 diminished activity but I did I do think 408 00:16:55,380 --> 00:16:53,190 that there was still an adolescent male 409 00:16:57,930 --> 00:16:55,390 that was coming onto the property and 410 00:17:00,030 --> 00:16:57,940 perhaps occasionally getting a little of 411 00:17:04,350 --> 00:17:00,040 the milk the feed that I was given to 412 00:17:06,299 --> 00:17:04,360 the Mules the triangles right here all 413 00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:06,309 of this is all of this on this piece of 414 00:17:09,179 --> 00:17:07,750 property is with a hundred yards of each 415 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:09,189 other and we're going to be talking 416 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:10,870 about the hair sample and the scat 417 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:12,250 sample that came from here in just a 418 00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:15,250 moment okay so this this is where I'm 419 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:17,199 just about to encounter my first 420 00:17:24,449 --> 00:17:21,790 ostensible tract and here it is and it 421 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:24,459 was about dusk this track is about 15 422 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:27,550 inches long it's about five inches wide 423 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:32,410 at its widest the it there appeared to 424 00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:35,500 be about three tracks inline kind of 425 00:17:39,690 --> 00:17:37,990 curving to the left maybe four but they 426 00:17:41,730 --> 00:17:39,700 didn't show up very well this one was 427 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:41,740 this is an old track obviously but the 428 00:17:48,330 --> 00:17:44,290 the clay substrate helped to keep it for 429 00:17:52,049 --> 00:17:48,340 quite a while and again the track is 430 00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:52,059 right down in here this is another 431 00:17:55,770 --> 00:17:53,470 bedding area I'm going to refer to this 432 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:55,780 as the pine tree blind and the pine tree 433 00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,970 blind is where the hair was found 434 00:18:00,960 --> 00:17:59,679 and this is the pantry and you can see 435 00:18:02,430 --> 00:18:00,970 won't let me go back you can see that 436 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:02,440 something has been peeling the bark of 437 00:18:08,999 --> 00:18:05,230 this pine tree as it looks around maybe 438 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:09,009 I'm speculating again but this the the 439 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:10,720 mule barn is right over in here so this 440 00:18:15,479 --> 00:18:12,850 is an ideal spot from which to observe 441 00:18:18,029 --> 00:18:15,489 human beings on this property here's a 442 00:18:21,180 --> 00:18:18,039 trail going into the to the pine tree 443 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:21,190 blind here is what looks like chewed up 444 00:18:26,159 --> 00:18:23,830 bark and pine cones that was found at 445 00:18:28,889 --> 00:18:26,169 the foot of the blind and these are hand 446 00:18:30,539 --> 00:18:28,899 rubs three hand rubs that something has 447 00:18:36,539 --> 00:18:30,549 systematically rubbed getting in and out 448 00:18:40,049 --> 00:18:36,549 of this area and again this this all I 449 00:18:41,729 --> 00:18:40,059 owe this little this little dog a lot 450 00:18:43,229 --> 00:18:41,739 here because if I hadn't taken her with 451 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:43,239 me that night I wouldn't have discovered 452 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:46,210 this here's what she looks like now but 453 00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:47,769 what happened was I was feeding my mules 454 00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:51,039 on about midnight on January the 28th 455 00:18:56,669 --> 00:18:54,720 2010 it was a very cold rainy sleety 456 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:56,679 freezing night and I wanted to give them 457 00:19:01,739 --> 00:18:58,570 some extra calories and the meals were 458 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:01,749 very hyper-vigilant and I shown my cue 459 00:19:06,509 --> 00:19:03,700 beam down by the pond because cows 460 00:19:08,220 --> 00:19:06,519 usually come in that way and I saw a 461 00:19:10,019 --> 00:19:08,230 green eye peeking around the tree that 462 00:19:12,299 --> 00:19:10,029 tree that turns out to be that pine tree 463 00:19:14,879 --> 00:19:12,309 that I showed you I took the dog and 464 00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:14,889 went down in that in that direction we 465 00:19:21,570 --> 00:19:16,840 didn't see any animals but what we did 466 00:19:24,659 --> 00:19:21,580 find was this and as you can see it's 467 00:19:28,979 --> 00:19:24,669 gray green in color it has a filmy 468 00:19:31,049 --> 00:19:28,989 covering on it I took it to my friend 469 00:19:33,899 --> 00:19:31,059 dr. Terry Hughes the veterinarian who 470 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:33,909 has connections with Texas A&M lab and 471 00:19:38,249 --> 00:19:35,950 we submitted it to the Texas A&M lab and 472 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:38,259 as I like to summarize it they couldn't 473 00:19:44,609 --> 00:19:42,090 determine the species of the feces so 474 00:19:46,169 --> 00:19:44,619 and that I told my wife that's the best 475 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:46,179 news we can get because they're not 476 00:19:48,869 --> 00:19:47,590 gonna have anything to compare it to now 477 00:19:51,869 --> 00:19:48,879 as you can see compared it to the cup 478 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:51,879 it's actually larger than most human 479 00:19:58,289 --> 00:19:54,129 stool it's about 2 inches in diameter 480 00:20:02,279 --> 00:19:58,299 and it's type 2 on your Bristol stool 481 00:20:04,349 --> 00:20:02,289 scale well that's important because 482 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:04,359 mountain lion which we do have about one 483 00:20:08,279 --> 00:20:05,950 or two mountain lions in the area would 484 00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:08,289 be more like the type three and black 485 00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:10,520 bear we don't have a black bear popular 486 00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:15,100 in this area so here is my glamour shot 487 00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,660 right there and again let me just tell 488 00:20:21,070 --> 00:20:19,760 you what the lab folks said they they 489 00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:21,080 said that it looked more human than 490 00:20:25,570 --> 00:20:22,400 anything but they did not think it was 491 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:25,580 human I had had a tremendous stench to 492 00:20:31,660 --> 00:20:28,640 it it was very nauseating we asked him 493 00:20:33,220 --> 00:20:31,670 to rule out chimpanzee and things like 494 00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:33,230 that they said that they thought because 495 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:35,750 of the gray green color that it was 496 00:20:38,890 --> 00:20:37,730 probably a meat eater and the filming 497 00:20:44,170 --> 00:20:38,900 covering that it was probably a 498 00:20:46,510 --> 00:20:44,180 meat-eater and preferred offal or organ 499 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:46,520 meats came back to the very next morning 500 00:20:49,870 --> 00:20:48,650 thinking that of course that something's 501 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:49,880 crossing the fence maybe there's hair 502 00:20:55,450 --> 00:20:52,490 sure enough I found the hair and I was 503 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:55,460 encouraged by one researcher to submit 504 00:21:00,880 --> 00:20:58,250 this to dr. Melba Ketchum for analysis 505 00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:00,890 because she was collecting a database on 506 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:03,500 Sasquatch hair and I thought well if 507 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:05,810 this is possible we'll say I did have to 508 00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:07,370 decide I did have to sign a 509 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:11,120 nondisclosure agreement with with dr. 510 00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:12,650 Ketchum so I can't say a whole lot and I 511 00:21:15,790 --> 00:21:14,300 really don't know a whole lot more about 512 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:15,800 it that I'm gonna tell you I do know two 513 00:21:20,740 --> 00:21:18,530 things that did kind of tend to confirm 514 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:20,750 some of my hypothesis about it but it's 515 00:21:25,660 --> 00:21:23,630 not Mele hair it's not a coyote hair 516 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:25,670 this is showing that the hair is a 517 00:21:30,790 --> 00:21:29,090 current at about stomach level here's 518 00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:30,800 another picture of the hair and this is 519 00:21:35,380 --> 00:21:32,150 my favorite one you can see that it's 520 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:35,390 red brown and curly and it's unlike any 521 00:21:43,090 --> 00:21:39,710 other animals that we could try to rule 522 00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:43,100 out so beauty is in the eye of the 523 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:44,680 beholder 524 00:21:52,090 --> 00:21:49,490 so so back to our null hypothesis we can 525 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:52,100 we can tell dr. Steven frost that we 526 00:21:56,410 --> 00:21:54,110 reject his hypothesis that no one has 527 00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:56,420 found hair and scat cuz we and I'm not 528 00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,710 the only one I'll just tell you that but 529 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:00,080 what are the alternative hypothesis I 530 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:01,730 consider for myself the alternative 531 00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,770 hypothesis is that someone could have 532 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:05,840 snuck on the property and left this 533 00:22:10,420 --> 00:22:07,820 evidence in the sleet and freezing rain 534 00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:10,430 at midnight in order to hoax me I don't 535 00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:11,120 think so 536 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:14,150 or secondarily I could have had an 537 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:16,490 uncharacteristic brief psychotic episode 538 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,970 in fugue state and left this and left 539 00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:21,440 this evidence which I later fooled 540 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:22,990 myself with 541 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:24,850 or as Freud said sometimes a cigar is 542 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:28,510 just a cigar so as John menisci once 543 00:22:32,399 --> 00:22:30,010 said sometimes the most parsimonious 544 00:22:36,620 --> 00:22:32,409 explanation is that we have an 545 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:36,630 undiscovered species thank you very much 546 00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,010 time for questions oh thank you very 547 00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:47,200 much for a very organized and clear 548 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:49,390 presentation well thank you where I live 549 00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,390 in Central Florida black bears are 550 00:22:57,380 --> 00:22:54,640 becoming so thick they're come you know 551 00:23:00,029 --> 00:22:57,390 going through downtown intersections and 552 00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:00,039 nesting in trees outside museums and 553 00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:03,309 things like that so there's a lot of 554 00:23:06,539 --> 00:23:04,240 them even though you said there's no 555 00:23:08,370 --> 00:23:06,549 black bears in your area but I guess the 556 00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,380 question that always is asked by 557 00:23:15,409 --> 00:23:11,440 skeptics is even though we don't find 558 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:15,419 bones of bears in spite of their numbers 559 00:23:21,180 --> 00:23:17,830 why don't we find success which were 560 00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:21,190 does a Bigfoot go to die that's a very 561 00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:24,640 good question the current thinking is 562 00:23:30,330 --> 00:23:28,720 that when you see one or encounter one 563 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:30,340 there probably two or three others 564 00:23:34,649 --> 00:23:32,890 around that's probably what the wood 565 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:34,659 knocking relates to is is sort of 566 00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:36,490 locating each other at night they don't 567 00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:38,230 typically travel together there have 568 00:23:44,850 --> 00:23:41,700 been some sightings of two and three 569 00:23:47,159 --> 00:23:44,860 that's fairly common but what happens is 570 00:23:49,159 --> 00:23:47,169 I think that they come and and retrieve 571 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:49,169 there they're diseased and dying 572 00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:51,370 conspecifics and there's there's some 573 00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,590 fairly decent anecdotal data that that 574 00:23:59,970 --> 00:23:55,360 they don't leave their comrades in the 575 00:24:03,899 --> 00:23:59,980 field like like Army Rangers that's 576 00:24:09,149 --> 00:24:03,909 efficient thank you for your 577 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:09,159 presentations very I had never thought 578 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:10,450 about Sasquatch before and I just 579 00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:12,370 learned so much so thank you thank you 580 00:24:16,769 --> 00:24:15,340 so my question is is part of your 581 00:24:19,470 --> 00:24:16,779 hypothesis that these beings could be 582 00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:19,480 sometimes material and then sometimes 583 00:24:25,049 --> 00:24:24,190 light I don't think there's because is 584 00:24:26,639 --> 00:24:25,059 that what you're saying with like 585 00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,649 comparing it to young and saying these 586 00:24:30,389 --> 00:24:28,480 are normative things for the human 587 00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:30,399 psyche that that maybe make us more 588 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:32,620 creative and imaginative that if they 589 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:33,970 didn't exist we'd be more like 590 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:37,890 and and but within we have to think more 591 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:40,690 open-mindedly something like that I'm 592 00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:42,820 glad I'm in front of this body to answer 593 00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:45,190 that question people have told me and 594 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:47,140 it's true the further you get into this 595 00:24:52,590 --> 00:24:49,540 the weirder it gets and so that's why I 596 00:24:55,340 --> 00:24:52,600 have you know my partner is very Jungian 597 00:24:59,310 --> 00:24:55,350 about this and and he is is gradually 598 00:25:02,160 --> 00:24:59,320 I've become that way too and so so there 599 00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:02,170 is way more to this than then we can 600 00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:04,030 easily understand it's very possible I 601 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:05,950 do not in any way shape or form rule 602 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:08,410 that out there's a lot of Native 603 00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:11,020 American lore that that talks about them 604 00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:14,200 being able to walk between dimensions is 605 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:16,380 what the way we would just describe it 606 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:18,610 back to that that numinous presence 607 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:21,760 thing you know are we projecting this 608 00:25:25,290 --> 00:25:23,530 sort of thing what wouldn't that be 609 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:25,300 fascinating if we begin to determine 610 00:25:30,660 --> 00:25:27,370 that now what I'm doing now this was my 611 00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:30,670 first obituaries site I'm now well I 612 00:25:36,420 --> 00:25:32,440 hate to confess this but you guys are 613 00:25:38,610 --> 00:25:36,430 the ones I have a map that was done for 614 00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:38,620 me by a sasquatch researcher and master 615 00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:41,830 dowser and I'm solo camping out there 616 00:25:45,870 --> 00:25:44,350 and I've had a couple of strange things 617 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:45,880 happen I haven't had one come up and 618 00:25:51,630 --> 00:25:49,210 shake hands with me yet though but so so 619 00:25:54,090 --> 00:25:51,640 I don't know it there's a lot of there's 620 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:54,100 a lot of Vision Quest aspects to this 621 00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,290 for me to go out and I mean I remember a 622 00:25:59,310 --> 00:25:57,760 time when I wouldn't even get out of the 623 00:26:01,860 --> 00:25:59,320 truck in this particular section of the 624 00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:01,870 woods and I'm now have sort of coke 625 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:04,540 cokes to myself and to solo camping out 626 00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:07,570 there so I see myself sort of growing in 627 00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:09,340 terms of facing my fears of the unknown 628 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:13,270 fears of mortality and and so how do you 629 00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,090 how do you do factor analysis on that I 630 00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:18,400 don't know but but again it's sort of 631 00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:20,760 qualitative data but but that's probably 632 00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,380 the missing ingredient for a lot of 633 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:25,120 people that are just looking at it as a 634 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:27,730 strictly zoological phenomenon so I 635 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:29,530 don't know it very well may be that the 636 00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:31,450 the American Indians have always thought 637 00:26:37,170 --> 00:26:34,630 that that they were magical and could do 638 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:37,180 amazing things and they may be able to 639 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:38,770 do infrasound - it's another interesting 640 00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:41,050 thing well thank you for your